2 years

[holly]

It's not about the $$$ or being "stacked" (even if a team COULD stack in the NFL), it's about having a coach who is an effective personnel man, and an organization people want to play for.

One of the few times I agree with Holiday Rambler. I have to say I don't really hate the pat's as much as I hate Tom Brady. You have to give credit where credit is due. NE has definitely done a good job in personnel's dept. Between free agency and the draft there is no denying it. That's why I am excited about the new GM for the falcons.

You just totally backed up the point sthat the Mets ARE better

One of the guys at our shop is a huge UGA fan. He hates it when I tell him that UGA can't compare with the Canes. He gets upset pretty easy about it. His main argument is the one shitty season they have had. Well I have to take him to task on the facts of the U. Like 5 national titles one within this decade. The canes hold the longest winning streak at home and they put more first round and second round draft pick in the NFL than any other college team. He really hates these little gems of truth.

Much like the Canes argument the same can be said about the braves. I will tell you like I tell my cousin (Who is a big Mets fan not some fair weather fan but a true Mets fan). "Dude its ok to have a dream". I just like to bust his chops about it but it's all in fun much like this thread I guess. We usually try to go to at least one Mets vs Braves game a year.

For the record, Rich is from New York and has always been a Mets fan.
We went to all but one of the series in Atlanta this past season - the only reason we missed the last one was because it was Labor Day Weekend and we promised my grandparents that we'd visit them in Florida.
I've always liked the Phillies, but the Mets are just a better team and are more fun to watch.

Labor Day Weekend was the last game I went to. From time to time we get free tickets through our shop in the Lexus level. Last time I was there it was fucking hot. We ended up leaving by the 7th inning stretch the game was pretty much over by then anyway. Oh and I wasn't really questioning Rich's fanhood.

I got Lexus Level tickets for a Phils game and the food in there sucks ass.
I'd rather get the cheap all-you-can-eat tickets.

[Death2all]

It's not about the $$$ or being "stacked" (even if a team COULD stack in the NFL), it's about having a coach who is an effective personnel man, and an organization people want to play for.

One of the few times I agree with Holiday Rambler. I have to say I don't really hate the pat's as much as I hate Tom Brady. You have to give credit where credit is due. NE has definitely done a good job in personnel's dept. Between free agency and the draft there is no denying it. That's why I am excited about the new GM for the falcons.

You just totally backed up the point sthat the Mets ARE better

One of the guys at our shop is a huge UGA fan. He hates it when I tell him that UGA can't compare with the Canes. He gets upset pretty easy about it. His main argument is the one shitty season they have had. Well I have to take him to task on the facts of the U. Like 5 national titles one within this decade. The canes hold the longest winning streak at home and they put more first round and second round draft pick in the NFL than any other college team. He really hates these little gems of truth.

Much like the Canes argument the same can be said about the braves. I will tell you like I tell my cousin (Who is a big Mets fan not some fair weather fan but a true Mets fan). "Dude its ok to have a dream". I just like to bust his chops about it but it's all in fun much like this thread I guess. We usually try to go to at least one Mets vs Braves game a year.

For the record, Rich is from New York and has always been a Mets fan.
We went to all but one of the series in Atlanta this past season - the only reason we missed the last one was because it was Labor Day Weekend and we promised my grandparents that we'd visit them in Florida.
I've always liked the Phillies, but the Mets are just a better team and are more fun to watch.

Labor Day Weekend was the last game I went to. From time to time we get free tickets through our shop in the Lexus level. Last time I was there it was fucking hot. We ended up leaving by the 7th inning stretch the game was pretty much over by then anyway. Oh and I wasn't really questioning Rich's fanhood.

I got Lexus Level tickets for a Phils game and the food in there sucks ass.
I'd rather get the cheap all-you-can-eat tickets.

Well when they are free you can't really complain. The reason I like the Lexus level so much was becasue we were right over the bullpen so you could actually talk shit to the pitchers and catchers if you wanted to.

[holly]

It's not about the $$$ or being "stacked" (even if a team COULD stack in the NFL), it's about having a coach who is an effective personnel man, and an organization people want to play for.

One of the few times I agree with Holiday Rambler. I have to say I don't really hate the pat's as much as I hate Tom Brady. You have to give credit where credit is due. NE has definitely done a good job in personnel's dept. Between free agency and the draft there is no denying it. That's why I am excited about the new GM for the falcons.

You just totally backed up the point sthat the Mets ARE better

One of the guys at our shop is a huge UGA fan. He hates it when I tell him that UGA can't compare with the Canes. He gets upset pretty easy about it. His main argument is the one shitty season they have had. Well I have to take him to task on the facts of the U. Like 5 national titles one within this decade. The canes hold the longest winning streak at home and they put more first round and second round draft pick in the NFL than any other college team. He really hates these little gems of truth.

Much like the Canes argument the same can be said about the braves. I will tell you like I tell my cousin (Who is a big Mets fan not some fair weather fan but a true Mets fan). "Dude its ok to have a dream". I just like to bust his chops about it but it's all in fun much like this thread I guess. We usually try to go to at least one Mets vs Braves game a year.

For the record, Rich is from New York and has always been a Mets fan.
We went to all but one of the series in Atlanta this past season - the only reason we missed the last one was because it was Labor Day Weekend and we promised my grandparents that we'd visit them in Florida.
I've always liked the Phillies, but the Mets are just a better team and are more fun to watch.

Labor Day Weekend was the last game I went to. From time to time we get free tickets through our shop in the Lexus level. Last time I was there it was fucking hot. We ended up leaving by the 7th inning stretch the game was pretty much over by then anyway. Oh and I wasn't really questioning Rich's fanhood.

I got Lexus Level tickets for a Phils game and the food in there sucks ass.
I'd rather get the cheap all-you-can-eat tickets.

Well when they are free you can't really complain. The reason I like the Lexus level so much was becasue we were right over the bullpen so you could actually talk shit to the pitchers and catchers if you wanted to.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, you can still pass by there anyway; we stopped there for a while for one of the Mets games.

[Death2all]

The perfect season shattered, and it was done by a wild card team. 1st time ever by an NFC team. What a good game and upset.

[Holiday Rambler]

'06..........

Randy Moss = raiders #1 receiver.......and he's Randy f'n Moss
Donte Stallworth = eagles #1 receiver
Wes Welker = dolphins #1 receiver
Jabar Gafney = emerged as the pats #1 receiver mid year

so........having four #1 receivers on a single team doesn't make a team stacked?

Also...none of these guys were the #1 receivers for their teams in 2006. Jabar Gaffney only had 11 catches in all of 2006 for the Pats. Not sure where you come up with this shit.

ah, yeah they were. welker was by far the best and most utilized WR on the dolphins. randy moss is #1 no matter what team he is on. stalworth got hurt but was still the #1 WR on the eagles when he was on the field and jabar gaffney was their best receiver in the post season........maybe mid year was pushing it.

you sounded logical through the entire thread until this post.

Sorry, I was looking at things called "statistics" for all that. My fault.

[BlazeTSU]

'06..........

Randy Moss = raiders #1 receiver.......and he's Randy f'n Moss
Donte Stallworth = eagles #1 receiver
Wes Welker = dolphins #1 receiver
Jabar Gafney = emerged as the pats #1 receiver mid year

so........having four #1 receivers on a single team doesn't make a team stacked?

Also...none of these guys were the #1 receivers for their teams in 2006. Jabar Gaffney only had 11 catches in all of 2006 for the Pats. Not sure where you come up with this shit.

ah, yeah they were. welker was by far the best and most utilized WR on the dolphins. randy moss is #1 no matter what team he is on. stalworth got hurt but was still the #1 WR on the eagles when he was on the field and jabar gaffney was their best receiver in the post season........maybe mid year was pushing it.

you sounded logical through the entire thread until this post.

Sorry, I was looking at things called "statistics" for all that. My fault.

being a football fan you know that a #1 receiver ranking doesn't soley fall on the shoulders of stats. its not uncommon for a #1 receiver to be double-teamed on 99% of the plays they line up for. therefore other receivers get opportunities to shine and have career years due soley to the fact of who the #1 receiver on the team is.

think Harrison/Wayne, Johnson/Houshmandzadeh. no doubt that marvin harrison and chad johnson are the best receivers on their teams but have been passed by their #2 guys statistically due to the fact that they get all the heat from opposing defenses........am i off here?

what about Moulds/Price from early in the decade? peerless price looked like a badass for years lining up as a #2 receiver to eric moulds.....even to the fact that he edged moulds in YPC average and TD's for a few years but after price left it was obvious who the real deal was in buffallo.

are you really willing to say that Randy Moss wasn't the best receiver on the Raiders last year?



and one more thing about "statistics"........if stats were all that mattered than Tom Brady can't even crack the top 5 quarterbacks of the decade list. until this year he had never threw 30 TD's and is basically nestled nicely in the 6-9 ranking for the last 7 seasons. i tend to think he is a lot better than that in the overall scheme of things.

thats all i have.

[Holiday Rambler]

No, you're not "off" in that the potentially most dangerous guy out there is being doubled or whatever, but as far as receiver "rankings" are concerned the measurement that is used is total yards.

My point remains that to actively seek out dangerous, productive receivers in the offseason that play for teams who either suck or aren't willing to pay them is what all organizations strive to do. That's the business of free agency, it isn't some evil scheme that the Patriots devised to their own advantage...when it's all said and done everyone has access to the same amount of money and the same set of available talent. It's ok to admit it, the Pats put together a helluva team within the confines of the salary cap and made a lot of defenses look stupid.

And another thing about Gaffney and his amazing 11 receptions in 2006...are you saying that the Pats "stacked" their receiving corps with a guy who already played for them? That's pretty goddammed tricky! Maybe they are a bunch of cheaters after all.

[RichOfSilence]

Doesn't matter! Tom Brady was OUT PLAYED by Eli Manning. LOL!

[BlazeTSU]

No, you're not "off" in that the potentially most dangerous guy out there is being doubled or whatever, but as far as receiver "rankings" are concerned the measurement that is used is total yards.

My point remains that to actively seek out dangerous, productive receivers in the offseason that play for teams who either suck or aren't willing to pay them is what all organizations strive to do. That's the business of free agency, it isn't some evil scheme that the Patriots devised to their own advantage...when it's all said and done everyone has access to the same amount of money and the same set of available talent. It's ok to admit it, the Pats put together a helluva team within the confines of the salary cap and made a lot of defenses look stupid.

And another thing about Gaffney and his amazing 11 receptions in 2006...are you saying that the Pats "stacked" their receiving corps with a guy who already played for them? That's pretty goddammed tricky! Maybe they are a bunch of cheaters after all.

honestly i just hate the patriots. i'm not above admitting my bias here. basically, all i can say bad about their team is that they "stacked" it. its a silly gripe but its all i have. well, that and they lost the superbowl.

but all stacked comments aside, i stand firmly by the fact that welker, moss and stalworth were all three the best receivers on their respective teams in '06.......no matter what the stats said. to be completely honest with you, i'd be out of my mind excited if the falcons, steelers or colts would've signed all of them. but my bitter hatred for the PATRIOTS makes me resent all three of them signing with them.