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Post by Death2all » Thu May 22nd, 2008, 10:02 pm

I have to disagree with Maxine.
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Oil companies aren't as profitable as you think
I sometimes get the impression that people think oil executives hold clandestine meetings where they unilaterally decide to set the price of oil and gas in order to maximize their profits. After maniacally laughing about how they are gouging the American public, they then go swimming in pools of gold ala Scrooge McDuck.

But there's a problem with that theory. Even though many oil companies are reporting record profits, many people forget just how expensive it is for energy companies to engage in the oil business.

The average net profit margin for the S&P Energy sector, according to figures from Thomson Baseline, is 9.7%. The average for the S&P 500 is 8.5%. So yes, energy companies are more profitable than many others...but not by an inordinate amount.

Google, for example, reported a net profit margin of 25% in its most recent quarter. Should we have an online advertising windfall profit tax?



Remember free markets?
At the end of the day, we shouldn't emulate Venezuela of all places and slap higher taxes on oil companies just because crude is around $120 a barrel. In free markets, there are times when many companies do well and others will not.

And just as I firmly believe that the Federal Reserve may have set a dangerous precedent in "rescuing" Bear Stearns from bankruptcy, I also think the government shouldn't step in and punish energy companies when they are doing well.

Hopefully, the Fed will take a tougher stance on inflation in the next few months in order to strengthen the dollar and remove much of the speculative froth that has pumped up oil prices. That, more than increased taxation on energy companies, is what will get the economy out of the oil slick it's now in.
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Post by necroodin » Thu May 22nd, 2008, 10:08 pm

Drilling and oil exploration has come so far in terms of environmental impact it's not even funny. They are run as tight operations because if you're polluting as you go, there are costs involved in clean-up, waste, etc. It's not profitable to pollute etc anymore. Never the less, the same demagoguery is continuously used to push the "BIG oil" line. It's quite absurd.

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Post by ProstheticHead12 » Fri May 23rd, 2008, 5:21 am

i like the folks in the background trying not to laugh as that woman stumbles over herself.
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Post by ScreamBloodyGore » Fri May 23rd, 2008, 7:49 am

I run primarily off of pot and well water, so the impending price jumps shouldn't affect me.

Also, lol at the Hugo Chavez comment. And lol at Capitolism, too.

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Post by kamal » Fri May 23rd, 2008, 9:27 am

I'm working on a car that's run on Brutality. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Post by Death2all » Fri May 23rd, 2008, 12:13 pm

necroodin wrote:Drilling and oil exploration has come so far in terms of environmental impact it's not even funny. They are run as tight operations because if you're polluting as you go, there are costs involved in clean-up, waste, etc. It's not profitable to pollute etc anymore. Never the less, the same demagoguery is continuously used to push the "BIG oil" line. It's quite absurd.
I know first hand the cost of cleaning up a hazmat spill. One of the construction company I worked for had a dump truck roll over on 92 in Hiram. I think it had close to a full tank. so it spilled a lot of diesel into the ditch on 92. It cost over fifteen hundred dollars just for someone from the EPA to come out and access the situation. The total cost for them to clean it up was well over twenty two thousand. Our company decided it would be cheaper to do it on it's own. It only ended up costing the company some where in the neighborhood three or four thousand.
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Post by NeuroNomicon » Sat May 24th, 2008, 8:55 pm

These pretty much tell it all. Worldwide production peaked in '05. Now we venture down the slippery slope of declining supply with increased demand as once third world nations seek Industrialisation. I've been preaching this shit for almost six years, back when the spot price was $21pb. Now all the dickheads that are still around in my life who laughed at me are beginning to ask serious questions. Shit's not sounding "crazy" now that we've peaked, and crossed over into decline. Ethanol, solar cells, biodiesel, wind, tar shoals and all the other Jiminy Cricket wish upon a fucking star shit aren't going to save Western society; they're net energy losers, which means they require more energy to produce than they can put out. The jig is up. We've spent the 20th Century erecting an infrastructure totally reliant on cheap oil, and now we get to pay for the mistakes of our forebears. Our lifestyle is totally unsustainable, and considering every major oil field is in decline, pretty much equals doom on an unprecedented scale. throw in a dash of a $300 TRILLION derivative tsunami, and you can see where this all might be headed.

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Post by Metalfreak » Sun May 25th, 2008, 10:05 am

kamal wrote:I'm working on a car that's run on Brutality. I'll let you know how it goes.
:lol:
They had you do a drug test and the forgot to test for drugs???

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Post by Snowblind Sodomy » Sun May 25th, 2008, 1:21 pm

ScreamBloodyGore wrote:I run primarily off of pot and well water, so the impending price jumps shouldn't affect me.

Also, lol at the Hugo Chavez comment. And lol at Capitolism, too.
And lol at people who lol too fucking much. I mean, really...Lolspeak? Wtf?
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Post by ScreamBloodyGore » Sun May 25th, 2008, 1:40 pm

Snowblind Sodomy wrote:
ScreamBloodyGore wrote:I run primarily off of pot and well water, so the impending price jumps shouldn't affect me.

Also, lol at the Hugo Chavez comment. And lol at Capitolism, too.
And lol at people who lol too fucking much. I mean, really...Lolspeak? Wtf?
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Post by ProstheticHead12 » Sun May 25th, 2008, 5:23 pm

LOL
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Post by Death2all » Mon May 26th, 2008, 2:20 am

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And lol at people who lol too fucking much. I mean, really...Lolspeak? Wtf?
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Post by kamal » Tue May 27th, 2008, 8:08 am

Metalfreak wrote:
kamal wrote:I'm working on a car that's run on Brutality. I'll let you know how it goes.
:lol:
Thanks for the sympathy "lol" but I'm still mad that you didn't give me those Origin tickets.
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Post by Metalfreak » Tue May 27th, 2008, 3:47 pm

kamal wrote:
Metalfreak wrote:
kamal wrote:I'm working on a car that's run on Brutality. I'll let you know how it goes.
:lol:
Thanks for the sympathy "lol" but I'm still mad that you didn't give me those Origin tickets.
that sucks. I only do what's fair and in this case that was to give them to the first 2 callers. You were probably the 3rd or 4th if you talked to me but didn't get them.





















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sorry couldn't resist!
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Post by Death2all » Fri May 30th, 2008, 11:56 am

Gasoline prices are through the roof and Americans are angry. Someone must be to blame and the obvious villain is “Big Oilâ€Â￾ with its alleged ability to gouge consumers and achieve unconscionable, “windfallâ€Â￾ profits. Congress is in a vile mood, and has dragged oil industry executives before its committees for show trials, issuing predictable threats of punishment, e.g. a “windfall profits tax.â€Â￾

But if there is a villain in all of this, it is Congress itself. That venerable body has made it impossible for U.S. producers of crude oil to tap significant domestic reserves of oil and gas, and it has foreclosed economically viable alternative sources of energy in favor of unfeasible alternatives such as wind and solar. In addition, Congress has slapped substantial taxes on gasoline. Indeed, as oil industry executives reiterated in their appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 21, 15% of the cost of gasoline at the pump goes for taxes, while only 4% represents oil company profits.

To understand the depth of congressional complicity in the high price of gasoline, one must understand that crude oil prices explain 97% of the variation in the pretax price of gasoline. That price, which has risen to record levels, is set by the intersection of supply and demand. On the one hand, world-wide demand has accelerated mainly due to the rapid growth of China and India.

On the other hand, supply has been curtailed by the cartel-like behavior of foreign national oil companies, which control nearly 80% of world petroleum reserves. Faced with little competition in the production of crude oil, the members of this cartel benefit from keeping the commodity in the ground, confident that increasing demand will make it more valuable in the future. Despite its pious denunciations of the behavior of U.S. investor-owned oil companies (IOCs), Congress by its actions over the years has ensured the economic viability of the national oil company cartel.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1212017 ... inion_main

If demand increases and supply doesn’t, then prices go up. In this case, demand has increased tremendously over the last few years as India and China accelerate their industrialization. The Bush administration’s treaty with India on nuclear power wasn’t a coincidence; the White House wants India more reliant on non-petroleum energy to both cut emissions and to relieve pressure on crude markets worldwide.

Congress can act in several ways to alleviate the price increases, but not by blaming everyone else but themselves. The shameful performance by Maxine Waters last week may have momentarily taken the steam out of Congress’ blameshifting, but that won’t last long. Voter outrage over fuel prices and inflation will eventually force Congress to take some kind of action. The question will be what policies they will enact, and whether they will solve the problem or increase the damage.

If Congress follows Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, get ready for more damage. The Jimmy Carter policy of windfall-profits taxation will only pass along the burden to consumers while forcing domestic oil producers to cut investments in new production. Instead, just as in the Carter era, oil companies will grow even more reliant on imports, and we can all await the next round of rationing at the pump.

Instead, Owens urges Congress to learn from history and follow the example of Ronald Reagan. Deregulation led to an economic boom and low energy prices for a generation. But we need to go farther than that. Congress needs to promote a shift to nuclear power for domestic electricity, along with a boost for coal solutions. We need to stop being hypocrites and demanding that foreign nations pump more of their oil while we sit on ours to suit our tender sensitivities on the environment. This nation needs to grow up and take responsibility for its energy needs. Congress needs to lead the way.

Drill now. Build nuclear plants. Invest in alternatives for the future, but start taking care of the needs of the present. It’s really not brain surgery or rocket science. Even Maxine Waters should be able to understand it, even if she willfully ignores the reality.
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